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Unfortunately for Escobedo and Botary, Olivarez wasn't the witness they'd hoped for. He was a small guy, overweight, a little goofy-looking.47 He never finished high school48 and had trouble expressing himself in English.49 Some people said he was slow-witted.50

Initially, Olivarez told police that he didn't know who killed Sauceda. He only said Garza did it after being told he was a suspect himself and being interrogated by Officer Sidney Smith.51 Smith was notorious among defense lawyers in town for his many methods of getting suspects to talk. They called him "the Reverend," because he once obtained a confession by posing as a minister and convincing the suspect to bare his soul.52

Olivarez almost lost Botary's case before it even started. He walked up to defense lawyer Peña in a courthouse hallway the day trial was to begin and said his father wanted him to tell the truth, that Garza didn't kill Dahlia. Peña took the frightened young man upstairs to repeat his claim to Botary and a court stenographer.53

The prosecutor quickly cloistered Olivarez with Sidney Smith, and the master interrogator soon had Olivarez back to his story that Garza killed Sauceda.54

Botary told the judge that the state was ready to present its case.55 But when Botary called Olivarez to testify, his star witness was tongue-tied and struggled to get a story out. The judge brought in a Spanish translator to see if that would help.56

Olivarez testified that Dahlia approached him and the handsome Garza outside the Casino Club and offered them a ride.57 After cruising around all night and into the next afternoon, with other people coming and going, Dahlia dropped Olivarez and Garza off at Garza's house.58

As did other witnesses who testified about Dahlia's travels in the van that night, Pedro mentioned a sullen man with a mustache sitting in the front seat of the van, who was hostile to Dahlia and everyone else. Dahlia told at least one person she was scared to be left alone with the man.59

Olivarez testified that early the next morning, around 1:30 or 2:00 a.m., Dahlia came back to Garza's to get them.60 She let Garza drive,61 and he drove the van into a lot overgrown with brush.62

According to Olivarez, Garza said he wanted "to rape [Dahlia] and all that crap."63 Olivarez said he didn't want to watch and left the van.64 He then watched Garza sexually assault, beat, and strangle the young woman to death using her own blue jeans.65 And he watched Garza carve an 'X' on her back with the rusty steak knife from the van.66 Garza and Olivarez walked to the freeway and hitched a ride to Garza's place.67

The Medical Examiner put the time of death between 1:00 and 3:00 a.m.68

After Botary finished asking Olivarez questions, Albert Peña got his chance. He soon had the young man locked in a chain of confusions and contradictions.

Olivarez had testified that Garza parked the van head-in to a fence,69 but police photographs showed it parked parallel to the fence.70 He said they stopped for gas at the 7-Eleven on Staples and Mary,71 but that store had no gas pumps.72

At first, Olivarez told the jury there were Schlitz cans in the van,73 but later he swore there were none.74 He said he talked to his brother the night Dahlia was killed,75 then admitted that was a lie.76 He said the group in the van had stopped at a bar for forty minutes to watch the entire first half of a Monday Night Football game,77 but that part of the football game actually lasted twice as long. Shown a map, he couldn't mark the route the van took or any of the places it went.78

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See Corpus Christi Police Dep't, Interrogation Report on Pedro Olivarez, Jr. (Nov. 29, 1979) at 1 (listing Olivarez as 5'4", 145 lbs.).

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 79 ("Court: While we're waiting, how far did you go in school? A. Twelfth grade and then I quit.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 78 ("Q. Would it be better for me to speak through a court interpreter in Spanish? Do you think you would understand better or not? Have you understood what I am talking about so far? A. I think you better talk in Spanish.").

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Albert Peña, Lawyer for Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, at 17:40:18 ("Pete Olivares [sic] was a young man who was . . . mentally deficient.");

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Eddie Cruz, Private Investigator for Defendant Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, in Corpus Christi, Texas (Feb. 25, 2005) at 18:41:45–18:43:37 ("I'm not too sure if that [other] individual [Pedro Olivarez] was all there, mentally-wise. I think they stated that he wasn't capable, or didn't have the mentality of a 20 or 21 year old that he was");

James S. Liebman's Notes on Interview with Ruben Rivera, Nueces County Deputy Constable (July 14, 2004) at 1 (similar).

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Albert Peña, Lawyer for Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, in Corpus Christi, Texas (Feb. 25, 2005) at 17:59:52–18:00:25 ("They had [Olivarez] terrified. And as long as the Reverend [Sgt. Smith] would not allow Pedro to change his testimony, Pedro Olivares [sic] was going to be consistent in what he was saying.");

James S. Liebman's Notes on Interview with Paul Rivera, Corpus Christi Police Detective (July 14, 2004) at 1 (stating that Smith applied too much pressure to Olivarez during the interrogation);

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 208 (stating that he was questioned by Sgt. Sidney Smith);

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 209:

Q. And then the next day [when the police] picked you up in the morning and this was on Thursday?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And you didn't say anything about Jesse until about 5:30 in the afternoon, right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And they had talked to you all day long.

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Had they given you anything to eat in the day?

A. No, sir. . . .

Q. Now by the time 5:30 rolls around, they had already told you that you were charged with murder; didn't they tell you that?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. They told you that you were under arrest and charged with murder?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And they told you that Jesse was blaming you?

A. Yes, sir.

Sidney L. Smith, Corpus Christi Police Detective in Dahlia Sauceda Case, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 447 ("Q. Now as far as you know, since you first saw him [Olivarez] at about 11:00 in the morning, was he in police custody or was a police officer or officers with him all during the time? A. Yes, sir, he was. Q. Now I believe you were asked on direct examination by Mr. Botary that aside from his statement, there was no physical evidence or any evidence of any kind that was found there at the scene that connected Pete Olivarez to the murder? A. That is correct.");

infra notes 221–230 and accompanying text (discussing Olivarez's explanation of the story he gave and Officer Paul Rivera's confirmation that Sgt. Smith pressured Olivarez).

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Albert Peña, Lawyer for Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, in Corpus Christi, Texas (Feb. 25, 2005) at 18:00:50–18:01:08 ("[Sergeant Sidney Smith was called the Reverend because] in a case preceding the Jesse Garza case, it was common knowledge that he had gotten the defendant and had posed as a minister, and had gotten a confession from him. That confession was good for the soul, that type of thing.");

James S. Liebman's Notes on Interview with Paul Rivera, Corpus Christi Police Detective, at 1 (July 14, 2004) ("Detective Sidney Smith—Put too much pressure on Olivarez during polygraph. Olivarez then confessed and gave the statement. Detective said what he (cop) knew about it, not Olivarez, and O[livarez] agreed.").

Kenneth Botary, Prosecutor at Trial of Jesse Garza and at Trial of Carlos DeLuna, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 1227–28 ("Mr. Pena, I've been trying to remember that ever since you've been asking Pete [Olivarez] these questions. He did come into my office. You did say: 'Pete, now tell Mr. Botary what you told me a few minutes ago,' and the best I can recall is him saying Jesse didn't do it. Q. That's all you remember? A. No, he did say something about his father—about his father telling him to tell the truth, but I don't recall his father said the truth was Jesse didn't do this, but I do remember him saying something about his father tell him to tell the truth.");

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Eddie Cruz, Private Investigator for Defendant Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, in Corpus Christi, Texas (Feb. 25, 2005) at 18:59:43:

And the court reporter for that court was walking right in front of us, steps away from us, when this young fellow [Pedro Olivarez] approached us and told Mr. Peña that he knows who killed Dahlia Sauceda. And Mr. Peña said to him, "Hold on just a second." He calls the court reporter in our trial, calls her over, and he tells Peña that Carlos Hernandez had killed Dahlia Sauceda. Immediately, we forgot about going [to] lunch. The court reporter . . . I can't remember the young fellow's name. . . . So we didn't go to lunch. We took him [Olivarez] up to the judge's chambers. I think they called the district attorney's office representative to be there. And he made that statement.

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Albert Peña, Lawyer for Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, in Corpus Christi, Texas (Feb. 25, 2005) at 17:54:05 ("And he [Olivarez] had told me that his mother had told him to tell the truth, that it wasn't fair for Jesse to go to the penitentiary for something he didn't do. And the Reverend [Sgt. Sidney Smith] got him [Olivarez] back on the straight and narrow, and he went back up there, said, 'I don't remember talking to you,' [i.e., to Albert Peña]. But by that point there was enough holes poked in the case.").

Kenneth Botary, Prosecutor at Trial of Jesse Garza and at Trial of Carlos DeLuna, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 1230 ("Sidney Smith was there—I don't know if [Detective] Paul Rivera was there. I think he was there, [Chief of Homicide] Malcolm Pace was there. I know that Smith and Pace were there. . . . I wasn't in the office when they were talking to him. I was back up here in the courtroom telling the Judge that I need an extra twenty minutes or extra fifteen minutes to get this thing cleared up and decide if I wanted to proceed or if I wanted to go ahead and dismiss.");

Transcribed Videotape Interview with Albert Peña, Lawyer for Jesse Garza in Dahlia Sauceda Case, at 17:54:05 ("And he [Olivarez] had told me that his mother had told him to tell the truth, that it wasn't fair for Jesse to go to the penitentiary for something he didn't do. And the Reverend [Sgt. Sidney Smith] got him [Olivarez] back on the straight and narrow, and he went back up there, said, "I don't remember talking to you," [i.e., to Albert Peña]. But by that point there was enough holes poked in the case.").

Kenneth Botary, Prosecutor at Trial of Jesse Garza and at Trial of Carlos DeLuna, Trial Trans., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 17 ("Mr. Botary: The Court has got the District Attorney in here and he is my boss and I'll do whatever he wants. . . . Mr. Mobley: I told Mr. Botary to start picking the jury, Your Honor.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 78 ("Court: Would it be better for me to speak through a court interpreter in Spanish? Do you think you would understand better or not? Have you understood what I am talking about so far? A. I think you better talk in Spanish. . . . Mr. Botary: Your honor, I request an [interpreter].").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 70–71 ("Q. When was the last time that you were at the Casino with Jesse and Dahlia showed up? A. When the dance finished, we were there. She show [sic] up there around two thirty in the morning. . . . Q. Why did ya'll get together with Dahlia? A. We just went riding around.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 90–91 ("They came over to the van adn [sic] we went over to the house about four. Q. What house are you talking about? A. Jesse's. Q. Did you go inside of Jesse's house at four? A. Yes. Q. Did Jesse go inside his home? A. Yes. . . . Q. Okay, Dahlia dropped you off at four o' clock, is that right? A. Yes.").

Margie Naranjo, Witness at Jesse Garza's Trial for Killing Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 830–31:

Q. When they got in the van, who was there in the van with you?

A. It was Jesse [Garza], Pete [Olivarez] and Elias, me and Pat and Dahlia and some other guy. I don't know his name. . . .

Q. Do you remember what he looked like?

A. Well he had long hair, kind of chubby, that's all I know.

Q. Okay, and was he a friend of Dahlia's or do you know? Well, she had something going with him . . . but she didn't want nothing to do with him, so we wanted to drop him off first. She didn't want to go by herself. . . . he was all messed up. He was all drunk and everything.

Johnny Longoria, Witness at Jesse Garza's Trial for Killing Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 502–03 ("Q. And the three other men in the van with Dahlia, had you ever seen any of them before? A. No, sir. Q. Were those three men Jesse, Pete and another person. A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you know the other person? A. No sir. . . . Q. Can you describe this person for us? . . . . A. [His hair] was short. He needed a shave. . . . About twenty.");

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Statement to Corpus Christi Police Dep't (Nov. 29, 1979) at 126–29 (mentioning "a guy with a full mustache" in Sauceda's van);

Bruce Whitman's Notes on Interview with Jesse Garza, Initial Defendant in Dahlia Sauceda Killing (Aug. 12, 2004) at 2–3 ("Carlos, who was drinking the whole time eventually, started talking 'shit' to Jesse, making threatening remarks towards him and wanting to fight with Jesse. Jesse and Pedro decide they had enough driving around and asked Dahlia to drop them off near the down town area of Corpus Christi.");

Bruce Whitman's Notes on Interview with Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda (Aug. 20, 2004, Mar. 1, 2005) at 2 ("Carlos eventually became high, drunk and mean. . . . Carlos was becoming increasingly angrier with [Jesse]. [Jesse] got out of the front of the van and, as Pedro was getting out of the van, Carlos was very angry and told Pedro he was going to hurt her (Dahlia) bad and if he (Pedro) said anything to anyone he knew where (Pedro) and his family lived and he would kill them.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 93 ("Q. What time did [Dahlia] come back? A. About one-thirty or two. Q. Okay, and did you or Jesse or both of you go with Dahlia at that time? A. Yes.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 94 ("Q. Who was driving the van at that time? A. Jesse.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 96 ("Q. Was the van ever driven in some brush? A. Yes. Q. When was that? A. Monday morning. No, it was Tuesday morning.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 97 ("Q. What was said? A. That [Garza] wanted to rape her and all that crap.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 97–98 ("Q. Why did you get out of the van? A. Because I did not want to watch.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 99 ("Q. Tell the jury how you saw him kill her? A. Jesse took her blue jeans and choked her? [sic] Q. So when you got back in the van, you saw Jesse with the blue jeans choke her? A. Yes.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 100 ("Q. After he finished choking Dahlia, what did he do then? A. He turned over to her back and make an X on her back. Q. What did he make an X on her back with? A. A kitchen knife.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 103–04 ("Q. After he cut the X, where did ya'll go? A. We went on the railroad and went to the freeway. Q. And what did you do when you got to the freeway? A. We hitched a ride. . . . Q. Where did you go after you left Dahlia and you caught your ride and you went somewhere? A. We went home. Q. Whose home? A. Jesse.").

Criminal Offense Report, Texas Dep't of Public Safety (Nov. 21, 1979) at 1 (estimating Sauceda's death to be between 1:00 and 3:00 a.m.);

Joseph Rupp, Medical Examiner, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 681 ("The subject had been dead a number of hours [when I arrived at the crime scene sometime in the early morning after 7:00].").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 140 ("Q. And the head of the van was facing the fence, is that right? A. Yes, sir.").

Olivia Escobedo, Corpus Christi Police Detective in Wanda Lopez and Dahlia Sauceda Cases, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 318 ("Q. Officer, by the way, was the van parked directly into the fence or not? A. No, sir, it was parrallel [sic].").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 107 ("Q. Where did you stop? A. At 7–11. Q. For what purpose? A. To get some gas. . . . Q. And what 7–11 did you go to? A. On Staples.").

Irma Gaytan, Witness at Jesse Garza's Trial for Killing Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 296 ("Q. I forgot to ask you one other question. Do ya'll sell gas at that 7–11? A. No, sir. Q. You don't have any gas pump? A. No, sir.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 115–16 ("Q. Did you see any Schlitz beer cans in the van? A. Yes. Q. Did ya'll drink any Schlitz? A. That was from the Casino on Sunday night.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 145 ("Q. Now you said there was rootbeer that spilled. When Mr. Botary asked you the questions, you said it was a Schlitz that was toward the driver? A. He didn't told [sic] me it was Schlitz. Q. You said it was. A. I said it was coke. Q. You didn't see any Schlitz beer in the van? A. No. Q. The only beer you saw was Miller? A. Yes, sir.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 138–39 ("Q. What about your brother Danny; you said you were over to his house that night? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was he there? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you talk to him? A. No, sir. Q. You just went in the house and didn't talk to him? A. He saw me get a six pack and he told me to be careful. He said where I was. I said I was with Jesse and Dahlia and that's it.").

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 1130–31:

Q. Now if your brother testified that you were not—had never went by his house on that night; would he be lying or would you be lying?

A. Maybe he wasn't there, but I got the beer.

Q. Wait a minute. Let's see, was he or was he not there?

A. He was there, but probably he didn't see me. I didn't saw him neither.

Q. You didn't see him?

A. No, sir.

Q. Didn't you tell this jury that you talked to him and that you told him who you were with and that he told you to be careful? Isn't that the same thing you told Mr. Botary?

A. Yes.

Q. How could he not have seen you?

A. Because I just said it like that.

Q. You mean you were lying?

A. About what?

Q. About having talked to your brother?

A. Yes, sir, I was lying because I just said it to Jesse because I just wanted to say it.

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 1127:

Q. Who—you remember what time the football game started?

A. Eight o'clock. It starts at eight, but it really starts about 8:30.

Q. And you're saying that the halftime was over by nine o'clock?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. It was a very short half, wasn't it?

A. It's only about twelve minutes each quarter.

Q. Yes, but they don't just let the clock run; they stop at every play, don't they?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Are you saying that it took forty minutes to play an entire half of professional football?

A. Yes, sir.

Pedro Olivarez, Witness Against Jesse Garza in Trial for Murdering Dahlia Sauceda, Trial Test., Texas v. Garza, No. 79-CR–881-C (Nueces Cty., 94th Dist. Tex. Jan. 31, 1980) at 1132–33 ("Q. Do you want to draw a line on the map showing how y'all got home? Would you show the jury where you started out and how you got home? A. I don't know nothing about a map, you see, sir. Q. Oh, you don't? A. No, sir. Q. Well, let me help you. Whereabouts did you get started? A. What are you talking about? Q. Well, you said you got a ride? A. Yes, sir. Q. Where did he pick you up? A. By Agnes on the freeway. Q. Well, show the jury where you started. A. I told you I don't know nothing about a map.").

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